1975-1980 and the witnesses who can no longer speak
By Carlos E. Larriega
INTRODUCTION
In 1980, there was very little information available about what happened to John Lennon during his voluntary retirement beginning in 1975, except for the official narrative supported by the interviews he gave with Yoko when he decided to return to the record industry with 'Double Fantasy'. Some information, although not very extensive, came from May Pang's book 'Loving John'. However, a personal assistant to John and Yoko, Fred Seaman, removed Lennon's personal diaries from 1975 to 1980, according to his testimony with John's endorsement, who during his lifetime had authorized him to use whatever material he needed to tell his true story. Seaman turned to Robert Rosen to produce a book based on the diaries. Eventually Seaman fled with the diaries. Rosen had to start from scratch and in the end both books saw the light of day, although not without difficulties.
In 2020, Fred Seaman was reduced to a legal nullity. He can no longer testify, give interviews, be cited as a source, or recount what he witnessed. As a witness, he is a nullity. That is what they achieved: to remove him from the game permanently. (1) Two other people who could have shed light on what Lennon experienced during those years of seclusion in the Dakota also cannot do so. Michael Medeiros, who tended to the plants at the Dakota and was John's personal assistant, was informed by his publisher that publication of his book on John had been temporarily postponed and over time it became permanent. There was an announcement that in April 2024 a book by author Peter Doggett, based on John Lennon's diaries - which he was able to access in Germany, where they had been recovered by police after being stolen again from Yoko Ono - would be released. Finally, the same publisher as Medeiros, apparently pressured by Ono's legal team, prevented the book from being published.
Fortunately, Robert Rosen's book remains in print and the author remains available for interviews. It is also fortunate that he has the breadth to address a wide range of topics, even those not necessarily covered in Nowhere Man. Robert kindly agreed to share with our blog's readers some topical issues related to John, as well as some more complex events that are not usually dealt with in the journalistic sphere.
Interview with Robert Rosen
Carlos Larriega: Robert, first I want to acknowledge the work that went into Nowhere Man. You lost the diaries and your original notes, and you had to reconstruct the book from scratch, re-research everything, rebuild it all from memory and interviews, and you still managed to publish it. That is a huge editorial effort. My question is along those lines: after the problem with Seaman in 1983, when you handed Yoko your notes and she recovered the diaries, was there any later attempt to go after your book? Did anyone try to stop the publication in its first edition, or to prevent the second edition from coming out in 2022?
Robert Rosen: I wrote about this in the 2022 edition of Nowhere Man, the one with the red cover—actually it’s the fifth English-language edition—in a chapter called “An Open Letter to G. Barry Golson.” (It’s in the most recent Spanish-language edition, too.) Golson was the editor of Playboy magazine who was responsible for David Sheff’s article, “The Betrayal of John Lennon,” that ran in their March 1984 issue. Ono’s PR mouthpiece, Elliot Mintz, essentially dictated the story to Sheff. Its purpose was to show me and Fred Seaman, John and Yoko’s assistant, in the worst possible light, destroy our credibility, and stop us from ever telling our stories.
When I met with Ono in 1982, she asked to read my journals and I gave them to her—500,000 words written in the heat of the moment on teletype paper. It was a Jack Kerouac–inspired literary experiment. She gave my journals to both Playboy and the New York City District Attorney. Golson and Sheff cherry-picked about 200 words from the half-million I’d written and put them in the Playboy article. The one line that people still talk about is “Dead Lennons=Big $$$$$,” a reference to Ono’s skill at exploiting the Lennon legacy. The Playboy article made it sound like I was talking about myself and Fred. It was part of Ono’s media campaign to shut us down. Similar stories ran in the New York Post, People magazine and many other places. The day the story came out, the district attorney told me if I didn’t sign a document forfeiting my First Amendment rights to tell the Lennon story, I’d be arrested on criminal conspiracy charges based on what I’d written in my journals. I was able to hire, pro bono, a very good criminal lawyer, David Lewis. He called the district attorney and said, “You’re in gross violation of my client’s constitutional rights.” That was the last I ever heard from the DA.
But it still took 18 years to publish Nowhere Man. Once I got the deal from Soft Skull Press, Ono didn’t interfere. At that time she was suing Seaman over the copyright to the photos he’d taken while he was working as their assistant. Ono’s lawyers subpoenaed me to testify at his trial and they wanted a friendly witness. There have been no problems for any of the editions since, though Mintz is still pushing the story he told Playboy. In his book, We All Shine On, he repeats, slightly misquoted, the “Dead Lennons=Big $$$$$” line. But this time he says Seaman wrote it and it was handwritten—“scrawled”—rather than typed. I’d say to Mintz, if he’s going to continue pushing 43-year-old bullshit he should get his story straight. I wouldn’t want him to damage his credibility any more than he already has.
CL: Regarding Yoko’s attitude toward you, did she ever give you any kind of feedback on how you portrayed her role in Lennon’s last five years? Was there ever a moment when you felt there was a line you shouldn’t cross?
RR: The only feedback I ever heard about was from Mintz, whose official line was, “He made the whole thing up.” The only line I wouldn’t cross was to not quote directly from Lennon’s journals, and to not include any information that I knew about from the journals but couldn’t confirm from a source outside the journals. That was mostly the case with Lennon’s dreams, which I fictionalized by creating a parallel universe that captured the tone and feeling of the dreams without revealing the actual details.
CL: In Nowhere Man, did you decide from the first publication to present the book as a ‘non-fiction novel’; to protect yourself from a lawsuit or from having it pulled from the market? Was that a decision yours or from your publisher?
RR: It was my decision to explain in the “Prelude” that I fictionalized some parts. It was the only way to get the book published. I submitted the Lennon portion of Nowhere Man to the publisher in its current form. It was the publisher’s idea to write the Mark David Chapman section, which I did reluctantly, though in retrospect I’m glad I did it.
CL: Robert, in the second edition of Nowhere Man you add two elements you couldn’t include in the 2000 edition: Lennon’s programmed dream with Barbara Walters, a product of his technique of concentrating to control his dreams, and his sexual relationship with his masseuse. Beyond the anecdotal, do you consider that this type of sexual activity by Lennon during his period of seclusion at the Dakota gives more credibility to what May Pang claimed, that she maintained sexual contact with Lennon after he went back to Yoko?
RR: The sexual relationship with his masseuse is in the first edition but I refer to it obliquely and don’t mention Kimi, the masseuse, by name. I don’t know if this gives May Pang more credibility. But it’s true that John continued to see her after he went back to Yoko. He spells it out in his journal. It just didn’t happen very often.
RR: I think “Dream Power,” as John called programming dreams, was an effort to get to know himself better—a form of self-analysis that Yoko encouraged him to do. It was also a creative exercise; he recorded his dreams in detail. Dream Power was something he did to entertain himself when he was most isolated. He enjoyed his sex dreams. Astral projection certainly sounds like something John would want to explore. But I don’t recall him using that phrase. Dream Power did not strike me as part of his spiritual search.
RR: That’s possible. I’d say it’s even likely. Mintz takes pains in his book to say that he rarely saw John and May together when they were in LA and that John never mentioned May to him after he returned to Yoko. He tried to write May out of the story. I didn’t read Sheff’s book, so I don’t know what he said about John and May. Mintz and Sheff are propagandists. They follow orders. They do what they’re told.
CL: In the contents of both books, are there direct or indirect references to your research or to what was published in Nowhere Man? If so, what is your opinion on that? (2)
RR: The only mention of me in Mintz’s book is in my answer to your first question: Mintz is still peddling the same story about me and Seaman he told Playboy in 1983. Only now he’s attributing my diary entries to Seaman.
In his Yoko biography, Sheff was very careful what he said about me. Unlike the Playboy article, he didn’t distort anything I've written about Ono and even included a link to my website in the endnotes. I think he understood that to lie about me as he did in Playboy would have invited my further scrutiny of the book, in search of additional Mintz-style falsehoods. And I’m glad because I have no interest in reading a 384-page Yoko Ono biography.
CL: Elliot Mintz in his book said that when he arrived at the Dakota after Lennon’s death, the next day, he found everything covered in blood. Michael Medeiros in a Facebook group specializing in John Lennon stated that this was not true, because he was with Yoko at the Dakota. Mike was not treated very well in that group, where Mintz and Sean apparently collaborate. Has it happened to you that when you publish a version different from the official one, people attack you instead of debating you? (3)
RR: In the Facebook group you’re talking about, one time I did respond to a posting about May Pang’s relationship with John—because it mentioned my name. And, yes, I was attacked and insulted. But what’s interesting is that the guy who runs the group said he has recordings of my conversations with Ono. If that’s true, then it means Ono had the Dakota bugged. Michael Medeiros thinks it’s true. John and Yoko recorded everything. But the attack in the Facebook group is the exception. I rarely get attacked if I post something that goes against the official story—unless I go looking for trouble. I should have known better than to post in that group.
CL: Regarding the last physical Lennon-McCartney meeting, what we understand, from what Paul has said, is that the last physical meeting he had with John was in 1976. After that, they only maintained telephone conversations. Elliot Mintz claims there was a later meeting in a restaurant where John, Yoko, Linda, Paul, and he were present. The press places this meeting (if it had happened) between 1978 and 1979. But if that had been the case, why didn’t Paul tell it directly in the film Man On The Run? . It would be more revealing and convenient for McCartney if it were so. What do you think of Mintz’s version? Do you believe there was that meeting in the restaurant?
RR: John, Yoko, Paul, and Linda did meet in Le Cirque, a French restaurant in New York City. I write about it in Nowhere Man. I give the year as 1977, but it could have been ’78. Maybe Paul didn’t mention it because he realized John had a miserable time. Lennon wrote in his journal that he regretted going. He couldn’t stand the way Paul and Linda kept talking about how perfect their lives were, how they had everything they wanted, and they were as happy as they’d ever been.
RR: I broke one of my own rules when I agreed to do that podcast: Never debate a Holocaust denier or a conspiracy theorist. It just gives their theories more credibility. I expected to have a genial conversation with a writer who has an opposing point of view, but Whelan does not do genial. He’s a hostile, pugnacious guy—I believe the Spanish word is cabrón—who gets offended if you call him a conspiracy theorist. He attacks anybody who challenges his theories. His debating style is Trump-like. He lies, interrupts, talks over you, and doesn’t stop talking once he gets going. He attacked me for what I wrote in Nowhere Man about Chapman’s sentencing hearing. He says I wasn’t there. His proof: Nobody else reported that Chapman said at the end of the hearing, “I feel like a bloodied prizefighter in the 27th round.” There were dozens of reporters in the courtroom. They were all busy taking notes and as soon as the judge passed sentence they all scrambled to leave so they could interview the prosecutor. I never took my eyes off Chapman from the moment he walked in till the moment he walked out.
I didn’t read Whelan’s book because I’ve read some of the stuff he posts online. It's conspiracy-theory muck. I’m not interested in reading some hack writer’s theories about entrance wounds and exit wounds. They prove nothing and clarify nothing. They just cast suspicion. The purpose of the book—of any conspiracy book—is to muddy the waters and create doubt and suspicion. Lennon conspiracy theorists have had 46 years to prove any part of their theory that the CIA or some adjacent organization murdered Lennon, and that Chapman was either a Manchurian candidate or a Manchurian patsy. They’ve proven nothing. I asked Whelan why he’s doing what he’s doing if he knows he’ll never be able to prove anything and they’ll never reopen a 46-year-old case. He said a lot of words but he didn’t answer the question. He had no answer. And I somehow missed the renewed JFK controversies at the time.
RR: If Ono had a motive to not say that she thought Lennon’s murder was a political assassination, I’d think it would be self-preservation. In the unlikely event there was a CIA plot, I don’t think the government would take kindly to Ono using her vast resources to expose it.
RR: In Nowhere Man I had no agenda when it came to portraying Ono. I based the portrait on my own perceptions; on what I read in the diaries; on what people who knew her told me; and what other authors had written. I’ve been criticized for being too mean to her and for being too kind to her. Readers are going to think whatever they’re going to think. I’m just glad people continue to read the book and their opinions evolve over time.
CL: In Nowhere Man you state what John felt about what Paul McCartney was achieving musically. In the film Man On The Run, McCartney and the film’s director include Sean’s testimonies to prove that Paul’s music was among the records John listened to. Within what you have researched, is there evidence that John listened frequently to McCartney’s output, or is it a validation device to put an end to that guilt over the unfortunate statements McCartney made when he was asked about his feelings about John’s death? (5)
RR: I know that John listened to Paul’s music. In Nowhere Man I wrote about how “Coming Up,” on McCartney II, inspired John to get back into gear and start working on the Double Fantasy demo tape. Every word of “Coming Up” was addressed directly to John. Paul was calling for a Beatles reunion—“I know that we can get together.” John wrote “I Don’t Want to Face It” in response to “Coming Up.” I don’t think it’s a validation device to put an end to Paul’s guilt. I think Paul was devastated by John’s murder and he doesn’t need to prove anything.
RR: You’re asking about estate law, a complex legal specialty that I know nothing about other than it’s a complex legal specialty. But in plain English, I take “undue influence” to mean putting pressure on somebody to do something they don’t want to do, like write somebody into a will or out of a will. And, no, I’ve found nothing in my research to indicate that John was unaware of the final content of the will.
CL: The only thing of public knowledge regarding Lennon’s fortune is the will. Do you know if apart from that document there was any trust for Julian? Another clause that draws attention in the document is the designation of Sam Green as Sean’s guardian in case Yoko were absent. Was he a man trusted by John or by Yoko? (7)
RR: Well, Yoko certainly trusted Sam Green, which I imagine is how he ended up in the will as Sean’s guardian. That the will—it’s floating around online—designates Green as Sean’s guardian in that case, struck me as bizarre. I don’t know how much John trusted Green, if at all. I know that he used to get the “Sams,” Green and Havadtoy, mixed up. That would imply that he didn’t know Green very well. I don’t know anything about a trust for Julian.
RR: Several years ago Parker and his crew were in New York City and he interviewed me for the film. He mentioned that he was asking everybody the same questions. For the most part I told the story I told in Nowhere Man—my relationship with Seaman, how he gave me the diaries, how I wrote the book, and how I eventually got it published. He didn’t use my interview and I’m not sure why, though I suspect it’s for legal reasons. I saw the Borrowed Time premiere in New York last December. Parker was there and he took questions. He said something vague about legal issues. And he told me that my interview would be in the “director’s cut” but I haven’t been able to get a copy of it.
CL: In Borrowed Time, is there any statement or testimony that caught your attention, whether or not it was linked to the period you cover in Nowhere Man?
RR: Parker seems to have done a good job tracking down people who witnessed the murder, like a guy who was looking out his window from the building across the street when it happened. He spends time on the stage design for Lennon’s tour to promote Double Fantasy, which of course never happened. That was one of the film’s highlights. He interviewed Earl Slick, who played guitar on Double Fantasy. I can’t remember anything in particular Slick said. And he gave a lot of time to Beatles author Kenneth Womack, which seems like a safe, middle-of-the-road choice. In many ways Borrowed Time is a standard, unauthorized Lennon documentary, which means Parker couldn’t get permission to use any of Lennon’s music. And it more or less covers the same time period as Nowhere Man.
RR: I have no plans for any future editions, but that could change with circumstance. The 2022 edition has a lot of new material. As I said earlier, the only material I’d like to publish but can’t for legal reasons are direct quotes from the diaries. In the meantime, I need to finish the book I’ve been working on for many years. It’s about the 1970s and the evolution of a radical underground college newspaper from a voice of the antiwar student left to an outrage-for-the-sake-of-outrage punk scandal sheet. I hope it’s translated into Spanish someday.










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